canyonwalker: Cheers! (wine tasting)
Panama Travelog #32
Panama City, Panama - Sat, 28 Dec 2024. 8pm.

Last night we walked a bit around the neighborhood before settling on dinner at the front desk's recommendation, Costa Azul. Costa Azul was... thoroughly mediocre. That mediocrity left us curious about the fast food restaurants we'd seen a block away from our hotel. McDonald's, Wendy's, Subway, Carl's Jr. ... they all looked good. They all had classier items on their menus than are available in the US.

Today we were tired after our halfway transit of the Panama Canal. I was extra tired because I'd woken up a bit after 2am, unable to fall back asleep. I napped for a few hours when we got back to the hotel. After that I was still low on energy, and so was Hawk. We decided against going out for a fancy dinner. Something simple, inexpensive, and nearby would hit the mark for us. It was a perfect time to take a second look at those fast food franchises!

Subway in Panama sautes beef, onions, and peppers with a chimichurri sauce (Dec 2024)

We landed at the Subway. What intrigued us both was their chimichurri sub. Then they surprised us by combining the beef, onion, and peppers in sauté pans. They dabbed in chimichurri sauce at the end (the proper way to sauce stir-fried meats and vegetables) along with shredded mozzarella to melt it all together. Then they scooped it into freshly toasted rolls.

"This is like Subway 20 years ago," Hawk remarked. "None of their stuff tastes as good anymore."

"US Subway never had a hot sub this fresh," I countered gently. Or maybe I just said it in my internal monologue. My mouth was probably too full of delicious chimichurri steak sub to say things aloud.

canyonwalker: Y U No Listen? (Y U No Listen?)
Panama Travelog #28
Panama City, Panama - Fri, 27 Dec 2024. 10pm.

OMG. What a fucking mess this afternoon and evening turned into. Things have finally gotten under control somewhat by now but I'm still so pissed off.

Around 3 or 4pm today things looked good. We finished a revenge hike near Gamboa and needed to drive into Panama City. The plan was we'd drive to our hotel, check in, stow our bags in our room, then drive to the airport to return the car, and finally Uber back to the hotel. Oh, and squeeze into that list stopping at a Machetazo, Panama's equivalent of Walmart, so I could buy a swimsuit because I forgot to pack mine this trip. (It hasn't mattered until now because our last hotel didn't actually have a swimming pool, just a duck pond.) All these things happened, and in proper order, but how they all happened involved way more frustration than it should.

1. For starters, our cell phones went on the blink. Both of them. At the same time. They couldn't connect to network even as we approached Panama City. We didn't believe it was a problem when we were up in the national park, because cell signal was spotty there earlier this week, too. But coming into Panama City, with a metro area population of upwards of 2 million, our phones telling us "No Signal" was complete bullshit.

2. Having no signal 80%+ of the time made the drive into a major unfamiliar city... painful. At times our phones were literally directing us 180° the wrong way because they lost signal. And this was with Road Warrior-esque traffic patterns around us.

3. We finally got to the hotel and stowed our bags. The room was cold, so we increased the temperature on the HVAC and left to return the car. Oh, and no upgrade on the room despite being a Lifetime Titanium member. Thanks, Marriott.

4. Driving to the airport with spotty mapping wasn't too bad. I committed as much of the route as possible to memory before we left. And after the first mile or so on city streets it was "Get on the toll road, drive east, then follow exit signs to the airport."

5. Getting an Uber to get back to the hotel was a bit dodgy because of the cell service bullshit. Ultimately it involved some waving and crossing a street when the driver pulled up, but we made it.

Back at the hotel Hawk and I divided our efforts.

6. Hawk got on a text chat with Verizon via hotel wifi to find out why our cell service suddenly went to shit on Day 5 in Panama.

7. I called the front desk about the broken air conditioner in our room. I'd set the temperature to 25° C an hour earlier. The room was about 19° C and the air conditioner was still blowing full blast. The hotel sent its repairman, who only showed me how to switch the HVAC from AC to heat. "Now wait 20-30 minutes," he suggested.

8. Hawk got escalated from a Level 1 tech— the kind who asks questions like, "Let's check that you didn't turn on airplane mode"— to an advanced tech.

9. As I unpacked clothes from my suitcase into drawers and hangers in the hotel room I found out that the small bottle of rum I'd purchased a few days earlier to enjoy in the evenings had somehow leaked. I saw somehow because I screwed the cap on tightly. But now several of my pieces of clothes were damp and smelled like rum.

10. Nothing else was going fast, so at least there was time to wash clothes. Hawk wanted to wash a few of hers anyway. Fortunately the hotel has a self-service laundry. I got quarters from the front desk— yes, the machines at this hotel Panama require US quarters to operate— and started a load.

11. Back at the hotel room, it was still cold. The AC was still blowing cold air full blast despite "heat" mode being switched on. I called the front desk again and said, "The air conditioner is still broken." "I think it's not broken," the front desk agent replied. WTF? "I want to change rooms," I added. "No," she answered. "You can just turn off the air conditioner if you don't like it."

12. I was steamed about the hotel's intransigence but it was time to move my laundry to the dryer. I went back downstairs and... the washer was unplugged. With my clothes still in it. And the lid was locked. Another guest hovering in the area explained to me that he unplugged it because it was shaking. He accused me of breaking it and said he'd informed the hotel manager.

13. The hotel manager and repairman arrived at the laundry room. By then I'd plugged the machine back in to resume my wash cycle. The washer was working fine. I struggled to explain to the manager, who spoke very little English, that no I did not break the washer, as clearly it was working fine. I told them again about my room's air condition, which actually is visibly broken. They shrugged.

14. Hawk and the Verizon tech finally did get our phones to reconnect to the cell network for more than 2 seconds at a time. The diagnostic process stretched across almost 2 hours.


Once the laundry was de-alcoholized and the phones were working we went out for a late dinner. The front desk had recommended a few restaurants within easy walking distance. We picked their first recommendation, Costa Azul, a restaurant with a huge menu of Panamanian standards. I noticed it's open 24 hours and was clearly popular with the late-evening crowd. And the food was... well, it's available 24 hours. I felt like they'd steered us to Panamanian Denny's.

As for the room temperature, I have temporarily accepted the solution of "Just turn it off". I will approach the front desk manager tomorrow. I expect the day shift manager will have more latitude to authorize a room change.

canyonwalker: Cheers! (wine tasting)
Panama Travelog #24
El Valle, Panama - Thu, 26 Dec 2024. 9pm.

In my previous blog I said I'd start posting one-a-day entries from our trip to Panama to speed things along. Here I am now, just one entry later, and I'm going to break that cadence by posting a second daily entry. I didn't even last one day. 🀣

Enjoying a margarita with dinner in El Valle, Panama (Dec 2024)

The reason I'm breaking stride is that we've just had an amazing dinner here in El Valle. How ironic that it was only on our fourth and final night here that we figured out how to do this. Instead of solving for "What's most convenient and doesn't look terrible?" we decided to search TripAdvisor reviews with a cuisine in mind. Hawk found a well regarded Mexican restaurant that wasn't far away. Actually it was in a neighboring hotel that was so swank it made us sad all over again about the bare-bones, false-advertising place we got stuck at.

Hawk's steak tacos were delicious (El Valle, Panama, Dec 2024)

After a round of drinks and an appetizer of guacamole, our main dishes— platos fuertes, they call them in Panama— arrived. Hawk ordered two steak tacos. They came beautifully presented on a plate and with plenty more guacamole, which she loves.

Meanwhile I'd ordered a full order of birria tacos....

My birria "tacos" were enormous... and delicious (El Valle, Panama, Dec 2024)

What landed was more like a quesadilla— and a humongous one, at that. But that was okay because what was on my mind tonight was, "Hmm, what I really want tonight is a quesadilla"! It was delicious. And it was so big I could only finish half of it.

After dinner we drove back to our dumpy, disappointing hotel. We made our usual after-dinner stop by the Rey supermarket. Rey is a chain here in Panama and is far-and-away the nicest "mini-super" in El Valle. We've gone shopping every evening to pick up a few drinks and snacks. Why every evening? Because our Spartan little hotel room doesn't even have a fridge! So every evening I've bought a bottle of soda, a snack for dessert, and two bottles of beer. Fortunately mini-supers in Panama all sell beer by the individual bottle. And Rey has an amazing selection of singles available. Even better, the single bottle price is basically just 1/6 the price of a 6-pack. Trying buying a single normal bottle of beer at a fair price in the US.... You literally can't!

I was told, in paternalistic tones, by a store's district manager when I challenged them about that once that "Selling single bottles promotes alcoholism." Sure, 7-Eleven, keep selling your refrigerated 18-packs. That's not promoting alcoholism! πŸ™„

canyonwalker: My other car is a pair of hiking boots (in beauty I walk)
Panama Travelog #23
El Valle, Panama - Thu, 26 Dec 2024. 4pm.

I see my blog backlog growing huge with this trip in Panama. For example, the hike to La Dormida wound up spanning 5 entries— which will fill most of 2 days if I maintain my pace of 3 posts/day, longer if I don't. (Ed: It took 4 days to finish.) Thus I'm going to shift gears and start posting one-a-day summaries. I'm leaving space to fill in later with detailed entries including photos and such. One benefit of structuring my blogs this way should be a clearer narrative for our trip.

An Easy Start to the Day

Our day started off with breakfast in the usual place, with the usual foods, at the hotel. After breakfast we rested a bit; I'm still getting over achy legs from overexerting myself with the La Dormida hike two days ago. Today's better than yesterday. Going up the stairs is only slightly tough now. Going down the the stairs, though... ouch, that's still painful. My stabilizer muscles are wrecked from the uneven, steep, slippery trail at La Dormida.

Mid-morning we noticed that the sky was clearing overhead. How fitting that now, on our last full day in Anton's Valley, it looks like it will be sunny. Rather than just shake our fists at the sky as it mocks us, we decided to take advantage of Mother Nature finally taking pity and smiling on us a bit. We pulled together our hiking bags and headed out in the car with a list in mind of many things we could do while the sun is shining.

If you squint you can see the form of a woman lying on her back in the mountain 'La Dormida' in Panama (Dec 2024)

Also seeming to mock us is that today we could actually see La Dormida. The vantage point for this photo is not ideal, in down with electric and telephone wires running above us, but it's the clearest view I've seen. If you squint you can see the form of a woman lying on her back in the mountain. Her head is on the right, her next to the left of that, then her chest further left.

Hiking Cerro Gaital... Or Not

First on our list was hiking Cerro Gaital. It's part of the rim of the volcanic basin the valley lies in, and it's the mountain just behind our hotel. Of course, getting to a good trailhead to reach the top meant driving all the way around to the other side. I mean, we could have just walked straight up from the hotel... but that'd be a monster hike even more monster than La Dormida. So we drove.

Driving around to the upper trailhead on the other side of the mountain brought us up into the clouds. I knew it was possible, even likely, this trail would be socked in with clouds. While the sky was mostly clear from down in the valley there were places where low clouds were sticking around. And Cerro Gaital was one of them. This is where it was critical we planned a list of many things we could do today. We opted to nope out of hiking Cerro Gaital and instead go to the next spot on our list.

The View from Cerro La Cruz

Bailing out of hiking Cerro Gaital was absolutely the right choice. I had misgivings, strong misgivings, when we decided to get back in the car at the trailhead rather than hike. All those misgivings melted away as we came back down around the mountains and saw that our next destination, Cerro La Cruz, was clear. Beautifully clear.

Panorama of Anton's Valley from Cerro La Cruz, Panama (Dec 2024)

We parked the car in a few places up on the ridge to explore different areas and see different views. I'm including just one photo here because, like I said at the top, I want to actually catch up on my backlog with these one-a-day entries, not fall further behind.

I picked this photo out of my collection for two reasons. One, it shows the spread of Anton's Valley below us. And two, that far mountain in the middle? The one with the clouds on it? The only one with the clouds on it? That's Cerro Gaital. Once I got to this spot around midday I knew that pulling the plug on hiking Cerro Gaital was 110% the right decision. Coming here I got the beautiful view I would not have gotten there, and it was much easier here with a super-short trail instead of a steep slog I would have been miserable doing.

Waterfalls at Las Mozas

I did stretch my legs at our next stop, the Las Mozas trail. It's just down the hill from from Cerro La Cruz. A short trail leads into a stream canyon with a few waterfalls. The short trail was surprisingly primitive. Any semblance of a constructed trail disappeared after about 20 meters as the route simply traversed the rough, volcanic rock next to the stream. With my weak ankles I was concerned I'd slip on the wet, very uneven rocks and stopped about halfway. Then I decided "Fuck it, I'm only here once" and pushed on to see the main waterfall. I'm glad I did.

Update: I've posted a blog with photos of Las Mozas waterfalls.

Lunch & Butterflies

Next up on our agenda was the butterfly sanctuary in town. But first was lunch. We stopped at a pizza spot in town we'd eaten at a few days earlier. Their pizza sucked but their empanadas and fries were good. So today we ordered just empanadas and fries. I washed mine down with a Panama beer. Usually I'm not a day drinker, but at these local restaurants a domestic beer is almost the same price as a soda. For an extra 20¢ I'll enjoy a beer.

The butterflies were... huge. There's this one species in Panama that's at least 6" across when it opens its wings, and it's brilliant blue on top. The butterfly sanctuary uses a double-door system so visitors can get right in with the butterflies. Some people in there with us had butterflies landing on their fingers. I couldn't get them on my fingers, but they sure loved my shirt and kept landing on my collar and shoulder.

Sharing photos and video of the butterflies is definitely a thing that would backlog my blog worse, so I'll leave those to post later.

canyonwalker: wiseguy (Default)
Panama Travelog #18
El Valle, Panama - Tue, 24 Dec 2024.10pm.

Well, good news/bad news about today's hike to La Dormida. Good news: it was an epic hike with lots of waterfalls and we didn't slip and fall. Bad news: We got caught out in the rain and had to rush down from the top over a slippery, steep trail. In the process I overtaxed myself in the process. But at least I didn't slip and fall and break a bone or anything. It's just my muscles are killing me.

We came straight back to the hotel for dinner after the hike. Well, not straight back... we looked for dinner around town first. Many restaurants were closed for Christmas Eve. Our hotel's restaurant had a special fixed menu for the holiday but one of the staffers who's been really helpful offered to negotiate with the cooks to see if they could serve us something from the normal menu instead.

It's kind of amusing this was such as negotiation because nobody else is there. Nobody else is eating at the hotel restaurant. We saw no other customers there when we ate breakfast this morning, and there were no other customers for Christmas Eve dinner.

One benefit of eating dinner at the hotel is that I could just hobble up to the room afterwards. And hobble is exactly what I did. Climbing those stairs is hard right now. And going back down... ugh, that's worse than going up!

So, I'm in for the evening now. I took a shower to wash off the dirt and grime from the trail. It's kind of funny that on the trail I got soaked, completely soaked, in the rain and I clean up from it by... taking a shower. Anyway, since my shower— my second shower, my man-made, warm shower; the one I took without wearing a shirt that got plastered to my back— I've been stretched out on the bed nursing my sore muscles while catching up on computer-y stuff. I'll see what energy I have for more hiking tomorrow.

canyonwalker: Hangin' in a hammock (life's a beach)
Panama Travelog #10
El Valle, Panama - Mon, 23 Dec 2024. 8pm.

With so many little things go wrong on this trip we're trying to keep our spirits up. Instead of remaining bitter about the things we missed because they were closed, broken, unavailable, swapped to a cheaper model, or laden with fake reviews, we're trying to focus on what we do have.

Welcome drinks at Hotel Campestre (Dec 2024)

After the snafu with our hotel booking for the next 4 nights we relaxed with a pair of drinks in the hotel restaurant. They made a virgin piña colada for Hawk without needing multiple rounds of negotiation. It was rich with real pineapple and coconut, possibly the best she's had. I got a margarita which, while not the best I've ever had, tasted like a it's just a tequila slushie. 😡‍πŸ’«

It's good we relaxed with these drinks at the hotel before heading out, because once we headed out we were in for more snafus. 🀣

A bridge on the main road in El Valle is out. Here's the muddy detour. (Dec 2024)

With it being too late in the afternoon to hike anywhere and too early for dinner, we figured we'd visit the butterfly sanctuary in town. That entailed two more snafus. The first is that a bridge is out on the main road through town. The detour routed us along this neighborhood street... that's actually a dirt road. And it's muddy.

Then, once we got to the butterfly sanctuary, it was closed. Well, not closed-closed. But thanks to delays arguing about the bait-and-switch at the hotel we arrived just after the last entry.

So again, it was too early for dinner, too late to hike, and now too late to visit the butterfly sanctuary. What else was there to do? How about... go shopping!

The Harpy Eagle, this one with a sloth, is Panama's national bird (Dec 2024)

We parked near the town's flea market and walked around the vendors' stalls. This area was clearly a tourist trap but we enjoyed looking at the goods here. Tourist trap or no, most of these are hand-made. We could tell because in many of the booths the craftspeople were sitting there making them! The photo above shows a hand-painted wood piece featuring a Harpy Eagle, Panama's national bird. We saw lots of them in different forms of art; I like this one because it's preying on a sloth.

After visiting all the booths at the flea market we walked along the town's main street— yes, the part on the other side of the "Bridge out Ahead!" situation— to glance at other shops and restaurants.

When in Panama... wear a Panama hat? (Dec 2024)

One of the shops had a bunch of Panama hats. I considered buying one... But a) they didn't have my size, b) I already own a couple of straw hats, though I left them at home this trip, and c) these hats nowadays strike me as being a bit colonizer-y, especially when a white guy like me wears them.

Soon enough it was time for dinner. We were hungry, too, as lunch was a couple of bao (for me) and 50 cents of fried plantains (for Hawk). The restaurants in town are mostly tilted to the tourist crowd, touting burgers, pizza, Italian, and... Chinese. Though the Chinese seems more locals-oriented than the others. We picked a restaurants with pizza and Argentine style food, particularly empanadas. Hawk got an empanada while I ordered a pizza and drank two cans of local beer to wash it down. I opted for the beer partly because I was curious to try Panama national brands and partly because it was only slight more expensive than the overpriced cans of soda.

Now we're back at the room, after a stop along the way at a mini-super (M/S), the regional term for a small grocery store that sells a bit of everything, to get some drinks and snacks for the room. I bought a few bottles of beer— I found Negra Modelo sold as loosies for a cheap price— to enjoy this evening. We're sitting out on the hallway/balcony in a pair of Adirondack chairs enjoying the evening air.

Maybe we'll have better luck tomorrow. With everything.

canyonwalker: Sullivan, a male golden eagle at UC Davis Raptor Center (Golden Eagle)
Panama Travelog #6
Gamboa, Panama - Mon, 23 Dec 2024. 12pm.

Today we checked out from the Gamboa Resort after breakfast. We wound up not doing anything resort-y during our time there, except that Hawk relaxed in the hammock on our balcony. I fret that we squandered the opportunity there. Shouldn't we have taken more advantage of the activities offered? Of course, those activities all come with extra charges, and they're mostly done with small groups of whoever signs up. We know from experience that we generally hate group tours. We're self-directed type visitors. We'd go places and do things on our own.

The first place we went on our own was a spot called the Pipeline Road. It's a road through the jungle, with trees and ferns growing thick on both sides, almost covering over the road like a tunnel in places. The selling point of the pipeline road was the abundant wildlife, especially birds. Alas, it's good we paid nothing for this visit or a tour guide as we saw basically nothing, just one butterfly. Granted, it was the hugest butterfly I've ever seen, but that was it.

Small store (and restaurant attached) in Gamboa, Panama (Dec 2024)

After the hiking bust we drove back through town, stopping at Gamboa's convenience store and restaurant for a light lunch. We'd visited here last night to buy drinks and snacks— way cheaper than what the hotel offers, of course, and with much greater variety.

One thing I'd taken note of from last night is that the store has a little warming oven next to the cash register with Chinese food in it. Yes, we're here in the hinterlands of Panama, and there's fresh Chinese food in the convenience store.

The small store in Gamboa sells Chinese style bao and shiu-mai (Dec 2024)

I didn't quite believe it when I first saw it. And I didn't know how to translate "steamed pork buns" or "shrimp dumplings" into Spanish, so I used their Chinese names. "Is that bao?" I asked, in Spanish. "And the other, below it, is shiu mai?" They were. And they call them by their Chinese names.

I bought two bao, first one and then a second because I was hungry and they were good. They were $1 apiece. Hawk bought a plate of fried plantains from the attached restaurant for $0.40. We ate outside at wooden tables on a large covered patio. That seems to be the style for a lot of eateries in Panama.

It's almost never too cool to sit outside, I figure. Here we are in late December and the daytime temperature hovers in the low 80s (about 28° C). Down in the city and some other parts of the country it's much warmer.

Ah, but birds. I promised birds with the bao.

A Yellow-Headed Caracara in Panama (Dec 2024)

We did finally see one unusual (to us) bird, just after lunch. It wasn't on the pipeline road, though. It was just on the road, in town.

"That looks like a hawk!" I announced as I slowed down to take pictures and let the bird move to safety. "Maybe it's a Caracara?" Whatever it was, it really was just standing in the middle of the road. (In the photo above the concrete macadam that looks like a sidewalk is what the road in part of town is made of.)

Hawk pulled out her bird identification guide— we'd bought one earlier hoping to spot birds in the jungle but alas, didn't— and confirmed it's indeed a Caracara. But it's not the kind we've seen in parts of the US, like in Texas. Up there, the Crested Caracara is native. Down here there's a different species from the same family. This bird is a Yellow-Headed Caracara, and it's common from Nicaragua down through South America.

canyonwalker: WTF? (wtf?)
For lunch Saturday Hawk and I tried visiting a new-ish restaurant chain nearby, Sourdough & Co. I've eaten there once before and was disappointed with the high price for a modestly sized sandwich but thought I'd give it another try. In hindsight I should have known there'd be trouble when the restaurant didn't have its basic sandwich prices listed anywhere— not on the lighted menu board behind the counter, not in the paper menus in a rack by the register. The total for our order, two sandwiches with side-and-drink combos, came to $55 and change.

"$55, that's a lot for two people," I told the cashier. "I'd like to review the bill to see the individual prices."

"Well, that's what it costs," the cashier said, unhelpfully, as if I'd criticized him personally. "You got two sandwiches with sides." Notably he did not show me price breakdown, as I'd specifically requested.

Before I could ask him more pointedly to show me the itemized bill, Hawk jumped in to the conversation and announced, "No. I'm not okay with paying that much?"

"What do you want to do?" I asked. "Leave?"

"Yeah."

So we left and walked across the square to Five Guys. Five Guys, which I'd just read in a news article this morning is rated the second most overpriced fast-food chain. The bill for our two meals there came to $36 and change. And for that money we both ate our fill. And, importantly for Hawk, they had a better drink selection, including drinks she actually enjoys.

canyonwalker: wiseguy (Default)
Trade Show Travelog #7
Back at the hotel - Wed, 4 Dec 2024, 10:45pm

I'm back in my hotel room now, shoes off and smoky clothes tossed in the closet. Day 3 of the AWS trade show is in the books.

My day started not with the trade show but with doing some customer-facing work from my hotel room. Sales leaders don't appreciate that I'm busy with a trade show they sent me on that I expressed a preference not to do. They still want to move other business forward, and every day counts to then. It's not good enough to have a meeting on Friday, when I'm back from travel; it has to happen today. The fate of the entire company rests upon it, they'd have me believe.

After the totally-could-have-waited-2-more-days work I dressed for the show and walked over. I'm staying at the Wynn now, so it wasn't a brutal walk. I worked the booth on the show floor from 1-6pm. In the past I used to do 6-8 hour shift with minimal complaint... but this 5 hour shift today had me checking my watch halfway through. By the end of the day almost everybody in the booth was grumbling about their aching feet/ankles/legs. ...Everybody except the money-saving genius who decided to forego the carpet padding because it cost extra. Said genius was barely in the booth today, of course.

This evening a bunch of us went to dinner at Sinatra in the Encore hotel/casino. It was an easy "yes" for me because the Encore is connected to the Wynn, where I'm staying now. And also because I enjoy Italian-American cuisine. And that's despite eating there last night, too. In fact some of the waiters and the sommelier recognized me. I made the dinner less repetitious by ordering the veal osso buco this evening instead of the (ginormous) veal parmigiana. The flavors of the meals are as unalike as apples and oranges, but between the two I think the osso buco was the better choice.

Well, like I said, I'm back in my room now. For the night. I have no interested in clubbing or hitting a bar. Drinking too much is a younger person's sport. And I have no interest in gambling anymore; all the games on the Strip suck now. Even watching the ploppies piss away their fat stacks of cash on games with terrible house edges is no fun. It's like cattle walk ploddingly to the slaughter.

Tomorrow will be the last day of the show. I'm scheduled 10-1 but may work as late as show close at 4. My flight's not until around 7pm. I'll see if I can stand-by to an earlier flight. Meanwhile, I should close my computer up soon and try to get more than 6 hours sleep tonight.

canyonwalker: Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. Travel! (planes trains and automobiles)
Thanksgiving '24 Travelog #6
Falls Church, VA - Tue, 26 Nov 2024, 9:30am

The hotel we're staying at for our 4 nights in Virginia, the Hilton Home2 Suites in West Falls Church, is new and overall pretty comfortable. One thing a lot of travelers like about hotels such as this is that a breakfast buffet is included in the rate. Before you European friends of mine say, "Of course!' and "Yes, that's tasty," remember this is an American breakfast buffet. A complimentary American breakfast buffet. That means instead of fresh eggs, deli meats, cheeses, and baked goods it's stale, sugary carbs and other prepackaged crap. So while while many of my fellow Americans book hotels such as this because they fancy themselves living the high life gorging on that "free!" buffet, Hawk and I booked this hotel because every room comes with a kitchenette— including a 3/4-size refrigerator. We picked the hotel because that would make things easier to buy and eat our own groceries!

Kitchenette at the Home2 Suites in West Falls Church (Nov 2024)

So indeed our first order of business Sunday morning (we arrived late Saturday night) was not to go downstairs to the breakfast buffet on floor 2 but go all the way down to the ground level and head over to the Giant Food supermarket a few blocks away. We bought drinks and snacks for the room as well as simple breakfast foods. Well, maybe not all simple. Hawk bought a tray of freshly rolled veggie sushi. πŸ˜‹ I bought a jar of pickled herring, a few bagels, and a dish of cream cheese. Yes, I could literally get a bagel and cream cheese free from the buffet if I wanted... but I could tell the bagels in the supermarket were better than anything I was likely to find at a hotel breakfast buffet.

Monday morning I decided to check out the buffet to see how good of a choice we'd made. Indeed there were free bagels and cream cheese. I tried one of their bagels.... It was surprisingly way fresher than any bagel I've had at a similar hotel. But the ones I paid 89¢ each for at the supermarket were still way better.

I'm glad we picked the hotel where I can buy a better bagel.
canyonwalker: A toast with 2 glasses of beer. Cheers! (beer tasting)
Thanksgiving '24 Travelog #3
At the hotel in Falls Church, VA - Sat, 23 Nov 2024, 11:20pm

We're checked into our hotel for night now. Actually, not just tonight but the next 4 nights. When I was planning out the details of this trip I considered moving hotels every night to be closer to what we were doing the day of or the day after.... Then I looked at how much extra driving it would be to stay in one place the whole time and decided that saving 30-45 minutes a day, even as much as an hour a day, of driving is not worth the hassle of repacking a bag, checking out, checking in somewhere else, and living out of a suitcase. I expect it'll be more satisfying to have the same room for 4 nights.

While it certainly sounds nice to say we've picked a hotel that's sort of centrally located to all the things we're doing for 4 days, the flip side of that statement is that it's equally inconvenient to everything we're doing. This afternoon, for example, we drove ~30 minutes from BWI airport to visit friends in Silver Spring, MD then afterwards drove another ~30 minutes here to Falls Church, VA. But having dinner and some hangout time with old friends was lots of fun.

We only see these friends, Adrian and Joe and their son, Luc, about once a year. And it's usually during these extended Thanksgiving week trips back East that we see them. They're friends of Hawk's from college days, and I enjoy their company, too. As I remarked to Joe when he was musing on the nature of our friendship, "I enjoy talking to people my age... who can conduct an intelligent adult conversation... and aren't assholes because think they're way more intelligent than everyone else." That may seem like setting a low bar. Sadly, nowadays, it is not.

What about dinner? Oh, yeah, we went to a local bar in Silver Spring that also serves a full menu. I noted as we entered, "Hey, it's a bar-themed bar!" It looked like a classic bar. It sounded like a classic bar. It even smelled like a classic bar. Y'know, stale beer spilled on the floor that hadn't been mopped up yet because they're too busy. But it wasn't too smelly as it's also a family-friendly place. Lots of families were there with young kids.

After years of living in California, where things are generally new and manufactured, it was fascinating to go to a bar that genuinely looks like it's been a bar since 1950. Adrian teased Joe about going there in his robes after college graduation to order a celebratory drink. Heck, I could imagine my father visiting here with classmates when he was in college, as the bar is roughly halfway between UMd and where he lived in Wheaton with his parents. I'd call him up and ask, "Hey, dad, did you ever hoist pints with friends at ___ except he's several years gone now." I could only imagine his spirit there next to me as I poured out the last sip of my pint of Guinness.

canyonwalker: Cheers! (wine tasting)
Who remembers Marie Callender's? Okay, probably few people outside of California. They're a restaurant chain and a brand of ready-made frozen pies you can buy at the supermarket.

The restaurant chain has gone through ups and downs— but mostly downs— over the years. They were more common in California in the 1980s and '90s as an American variety menu restaurant whose specialty was a large selection of pies available for dessert. The chain went through a series of purchases and stumbled badly after its co-founder passed away. Today there are only 27 Marie Callender's restaurants left, per their website. Their map shows they've mostly in California, and mostly in Southern California at that. There are two in Las Vegas, one in Salt Lake City, and one near Boise. And of the merely two located in Northern California, one's right here in Sunnyvale.

Marie Callender's restaurant in Sunnyvale (picture courtesy of Yelp)

Why the little history lesson on a little-known restaurant chain? Well, we decided to eat there for the first time in... years. It was a partly a matter of my sort-of New Year's resolution last year to try some new restaurants in the area— or old ones we hadn't been to in a long time. This definitely counts as the latter. I think Hawk ate at the local Marie's a few years ago, but for me it's been probably 20 years.

We did used to eat at Marie Callender's more often. ...Not weekly, or even monthly, but definitely more often than once in 20 years. The chain was one of many at the time in the category of variety-menu American food. In addition to Marie's there were Lyons, and Carrows, and bears Baker's Square. Now they're all gone. Though other chains in the once-crowded space, Denny's and Hobee's, are still around. It was partly because there were so many chains in the category that we didn't dine at any one all that frequently. Plus, middle-American wasn't a cuisine we cared to eat more than maybe once a month, and even then only for variety when we were tired of Mexican, Italian, Indian, Chinese, Greek, and so many other categories we're rich with here in Silicon Valley.

So anyway, we decided on a visit to the local Marie Callender's for old times' sake. And because we were curious about this restaurant, in our town, being one of the few survivors.

Stepping into the restaurant was like entering a museum from the 1940s. The place was decked out in dark wood, highly waxed, with dim lighting. The wood floor creaked gently underfoot as we crossed the large foyer. Marie Callender's always made its niche within its crowded restaurant category with old-timey decor and a more upscale character than its competitors. But here what was once an artificial old-timey look now looked... genuinely old. Like nothing had changed for 40 years. Walking to our seat was like walking through a museum that serves food.

Meatloaf sandwich at Marie Callender's. Yes, one's still around! (Nov 2024)

Little has changed about Marie Callender's menu, either. It looks similar to what I remember from 25 years ago— not that I remember it all that well. It does seem to have shrunk over time, though. That's understandable as a result of all the times it was bought and sold and the constant pressure from new owners to find ways to reduce costs. Luckily I was in the mood for a classic Marie Callender's dish, a meatloaf sandwich.

At least one thing changed from 25 years ago. Beer. Note that glass behind my plate and the bottle of beer in the upper right hand corner. Marie's offers a choice of about a dozen beers now! Serving beer was once considered antithetical to the family-friendly image chains in the category anchored by Denny's strove to maintain. As that category withered the chains decided they'd have to broaden their offerings in various ways to survive. So now there's bottled beer.

How was the food? Well, that meatloaf sandwich was the main thing, and it was... barely edible. The meat tasted like low quality ground beef, possibly with too much filler. It was also dry, like it had been left sitting under a warming lamp all day.

I was really disappointed by that, though at the same time not too surprised. I mean, Marie Callender's did used to be better. I know that because I know the kind of food I enjoyed eating when I moved to California in the 1990s, and I know it was better that this. This restaurant was never great; but it was at least fair. Now it's not even that.

Food at family-oriented restaurants that were once a mainstay of dining almost all seems to suck today. It's the end result of too many years of cost reduction in search of greater profits. The problem is, when they reduce the cost too much the product starts to suck, and once the food isn't that great anymore customers will go elsewhere. Witness why so many chains in this once booming category have disappeared over the past 25 years and even the survivors have only a fraction of the locations they once had.


canyonwalker: Cheers! (wine tasting)
I never thought I'd say it, but I'm feeling burnt out on eating at good steak restaurants. I don't mean burnt out forever, fortunately. Just burnt out for maybe a few days after eating at nice steakhouses two nights in a row.

These two dinners were connected to the small conference my company sponsored yesterday. Both meals were with customers. Wednesday evening we dined at Birk's, a nearby favorite for business lunches/dinners since at least the time I moved out here in the 1990s. I dined at Birk's a few months ago, also a business dinner. In fact it was with the same customer— and it was his pick both times. Obviously he likes steak, too. πŸ˜…

Thursday's dinner was almost at Birk's again. But my CEO, who wasn't even joining us, interceded and said, No, Birk's is "too twentieth-century" and that LB Steakhouse in Santana Row is where all the cool kids go for steak now. πŸ˜‚ If nothing else I was glad for something different. Slightly different.

Thursday afternoon I wasn't even sure if I wanted another steak dinner. I was still full from Wednesday's. When my VP expressed concern about too many staff attending the dinner relative to the number of employees I offered to tap out; but he insisted I was one of the important people he wanted to be there.

Ultimately the food at LB was fantastic. And I enjoyed it. But by the time I went to bed last night I already felt like I'd eaten way too much rich food in just over 24 hours. I woke up several times during the night just wanting water. I felt like I still needed more water to wash everything down. I felt the same way until I ate a light breakfast this morning.

It feels like some of this is about getting older. I can't imagine having felt almost sick after eating at steak restaurants twice in a row when I was in my 30s. Indeed between age 35-40 I was doing it on the regular thanks to heavy business travel. It's sad that I can't indulge so much in nice things anymore.


canyonwalker: Cheers! (wine tasting)
PA Anniversary Trip Journal #2
Arlington, VA - Thu, 7 Nov 2024, 7:30pm

This evening we're en route to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to visit my inlaws for their 60th anniversary. We landed at DCA airport just before 6pm. From there it'd be just a bit over 2 hours of driving to my inlaws' house— if we went straight there. Instead we did a smidge of shopping in Arlington, Virginia near the airport. Then, since we'd had no time for lunch today as our first flight arrived late and we had to run through the terminal at MDW airport to catch our connecting flight, we decided to stop for dinner sooner rather than later.

Where to eat? In built-up Arlington there are tons of choices. First we agreed we were in the mood for Tex-Mex. Then we Yelped the choices and... found a curious choice wasn't too far out of our way.

Hawk and I dine at the Rio Grande Cafe - where we first met in person 30 years ago! (Nov 2024)

The Rio Grande Cafe in the Ballston neighborhood of Arlington is an old favorite. And by old I mean old. This is the first actual Mexican/Tex-Mex restaurant I ever ate at, 33 years ago! Prior to that I'd only ever had those shitty Old El Paso hard taco shells from a box with that packet of seasoning to stir into ground beef. I'd never had an enchilada; I'd never had a proper, freshly made salsa; I'd never had guacamole. Yes, I grew up in a very white-bread family, a cultural impairment I overcame very swiftly in college. I ate here weekly with colleagues 30+ years ago when I worked a few blocks away on a college internship.

This restaurant also holds special significance to us, as a couple. It's where Hawk and I met in person for the first time! That was just over 30 years ago. How ironically apropos that while driving to our parents' 60th anniversary we found a spur-of-the-moment stop that aligns with the 30th anniversary of a milestone in our own lives.

canyonwalker: Cheers! (wine tasting)
In the vein of trying new restaurants even if they're not actually new, this past weekend Hawk and I dined for the first time at Original Joe's in downtown San Jose. Well, it was our first time there together; I ate there once with colleagues a few months ago. Either way, while the restaurant is a new experience for us, it's actually one of the oldest restaurants in San Jose, opened on the corner of South 1st and San Carlos Streets in 1956.

Original Joe's serves Italian-American cuisine. It's unapologetically a throwback to how Italian cuisine was understood in the US in the mid-20th century. The menu is full of OG Italian-American staples like veal parmigiana, chicken piccata, and spaghetti and meatballs. Portions are huge and often drowned in red sauce. There are also steaks, burgers, and salads on the menu.

The 20th century OG sense at OJ's isn't just the menu; it's the whole restaurant. The high ceilings, dark wood tables, and red vinyl booths all make you feel like you're on the set of a Hollywood costume drama. When I was there with colleagues a few months ago they were making jokes about how they thought this is where Tony Soprano and other mafia leaders would be dining if they lived in San Jose.

On my first visit I went for a classic Italian-American dish I enjoyed when I was younger, veal parmigiana. It used to be sold more widely. I mean, heck, Burger King had a veal parmigiana sandwich back in the early 80s. OJ's price was a bit spendy but the portion was generous, a huge cut of veal that almost covered the plate, drowned in red sauce and covered with melted cheese. Oh, and a plate of ravioli was the (included) side dish I ordered with it. Overall the quality was good but not great. I wouldn't have minded if the portion were 2/3 the size with more focus on getting the breading and frying right and not drowning it with sauce.

When Hawk and I ate at Original Joe's this past weekend I decided to try something completely different on the menu so I took a look at the steak choices. Like seemingly everything else on the menu, their cuts of meat are huge. I chose the prime rib, where even the smaller cut available was 18oz. If they'd had a 12oz. choice I would've taken that! (I even asked the waitress, "Do you have, like, a kid's meal prime rib? πŸ˜…) The prime rib was delicious and well cooked to medium rare as I requested. I took home more than half of it as leftovers. Maybe tonight I'll see how well those leftovers last.

Original Joe's is spendier than how we like to dine out on a regular basis. For the two of us the total came to $170. Within that, though, I had two alcoholic drinks, one of them a spendy glass of wine. I also ordered a dessert after packing up more than half of my prime rib to take home as leftovers. I could keep the costs lower by not indulging in nice wine or a dessert, but part of enjoying dining at a nicer restaurant is splurging a bit. I could see us returning to Original Joe's occasionally and trying other things on the menu.


canyonwalker: Cheers! (wine tasting)
"Let's try new restaurants in the area." That was my New Year's resolution... in 2023. Our idea was to try one new-to-us or haven't-been-there-in-years restaurant a month. In the past 23 months we've tried... not quite ten. Clearly I'm still working on that resolution. πŸ˜…

This weekend we dined at Pedro's in Santa Clara. It's not new-new. It's a Mexican restaurant that's been there for years, at least as long as the going-on 30 years we've lived in the area. But it is kind of new to us, as the last time I recall dining there was over 20 years ago.

Pedro's is a big restaurant you can see from 101 in Santa Clara. It's harder to spot during the day, as it's a two-story joint next to a bunch of high-rise office towers. It's easier to see in the evening with its bright sign lit. Inside, the restaurant has a coziness that belies its capacity. The dining area are split into several rooms. On Saturday it was maybe less than half full, but with only some of the rooms open the visible areas were full enough for there to be a comfortable buzz. Low ceilings and intimate lighting— but thankfully not so dim we middle-age-plus adults need to pull out our phones to use as flashlights to read the menu— enhanced the cozy atmosphere.

Service was snappy. Servers entered orders on small hand-held tablets, so orders went straight to the kitchen or bar. Runners brought food and drinks out swiftly, for the most part. The one thing that was delayed was an order of tableside guacamole that arrived well after the chips and salsa.

So far I've talked about the atmosphere and the service. You might be wondering, what about the food? The food's the most important thing in dining out. Alas....

Pedro's food is good but not great. The quality and the presentation are a step above casual, family-oriented Mexican restaurants in the area. (Let me point out this is already high bar in this area.) But the flavors were not as good as our local favorites.

Pedro's prices were out of line. Entrees were about 20% more expensive than at our favorite local Mexican restaurants, which we think still taste better. A plate of two enchiladas was $30. A small steak quesadilla was $20. It all looked very pretty, but it was small for the price and only good, not superior, in taste.

In addition to being turned off by the elevated menu prices, we felt nickel-and-dimed by having to pay for chips and salsa. The three varieties of salsa they served us were tasty, but I really hope this isn't going to become the new normal at Mexican restaurants that chips and salsa are no longer complimentary starters. And for $6 for the salsa and $15+ for the guacamole— which was the size of one avocado, I must point out— they brought us only one small basket of chips. They didn't offer a refill until after they cleared away our dinner plates.

Drinks from the bar were hit-or-miss. I ordered a cadillac margarita that was good but not great. Hawk ordered a virgin piña colada that was an amateur effort. What landed on the table tasted like a melted creamsicle in a glass. She sent it back and asked for a Shirley Temple instead. At least that was good. And they brought her a refill.

Bottom line on the price versus quality ratio: Our bill was more than 20% higher than we spend for a comparably sized dinner at our favorite Mexican restaurants in the area, for the food was a notch below them. There's a reason why my last visit there was 20 years ago. I wanted to try them again in case that reason has changed. Sadly it's still the same.


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One of the restaurants in my regular rotation the past several years has been The Habit. It's a hamburger chain that grew out of a few successful family-run burger shops in Santa Barbara. Some number of years ago... maybe 10?... they started franchising across California. Having actually been to the original stores before they started franchising I was excited to see them opening up in the SF Bay Area.

That's the good news. The bad news is that they've been going downhill recently. Several months ago they discontinued one of my favorite orders, the ability to add grilled steak to a salad. They basically dropped grilled steak entirely from their kitchen, so in addition to not being able to get a grilled steak Caesar salad I also couldn't get a grilled steak sandwich with avocado.

Service levels have been deteriorating, too. I started visiting the Habit less often after one particular visit a few months ago when it took them 30 minutes to cook my food. (I'm aware that people often complain "I've been waiting at least an hour for my food!" when a check of the clock shows it's been, like, 12 minutes. I checked the clock. It was 30 minutes from the time marked on the register tape until my food was ready.)

Today I found the the service levels dropped even lower, with no employees willing to take orders in person anymore and customers instead directed to use self-order terminals. Then there was this bullshit at the end:

Tipping prompt... at a self-service kiosk πŸ‘Ž (Sep 2024)

Yes, a tip. It's asking me to leave a tip. After employees refused to serve me and I had to serve myself, the automated system asks for a tip.

Oh, but that wasn't even the final straw. The final straw was, uh... next to the literal straws:

"Is Pepsi okay?" "NO." (Sep 2024)

Pepsi. They fucking switched to Pepsi. I hate Pepsi— as do a lot of other people, apparently, as the brand's slogan might as well be, "Is Pepsi okay?" That's what staff at restaurants serving Pepsi are required to say if someone orders "A Coke". Or, in my experience, even "A cola."

I've seen a few other restaurants switch to Pepsi. It's always been a cost-cutting move. Pepsi runs cheaper than Coke. It kind of has to, because people like it less. And to me it's the final straw of breaking my Habit habit.
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Blue Ridge Trip '24 #27
Blowing Rock, NC - Fri, 6 Sep 2024. 2pm

Today we got out of the hotel even earlier than yesterday. Today we were on the road before 10am. πŸ˜…

There's a waterfalls hiking trail that starts right in town in Blowing Rock, NC. And it's not just some walk-in-the-park bunny trail, it's a genuine hike with an ascent of over 600' on the return. How cool is that?

Cascades on the Glen Burney Falls trail in Blowing Rock, NC (Sep 2024)

The first falls on the Glen Burney Falls trail isn't Glen Burney Falls. It doesn't really have a name. It's not even a falls. It's just "Cascades". Okay, but it's more than 4' tall, like the photo above implies. There's actually a pretty good drop here....

Cascades on the Glen Burney Falls trail in Blowing Rock, NC (Sep 2024)

What I usually say about the view from atop a falls not being very enjoyable is different here. These falls— I mean, cascades πŸ˜…— are horizontal enough that there's a good view from above. And it's nice with the view of the trail around to the left and the canyon dropping away below us. Oh, and the fact there's no way to stand at the bottom of the falls without trampling a restoration area.

Glen Burney Falls in Blowing Rock, NC (Sep 2024)

Further down the canyon is the namesake of this trail, Glen Burney Falls. It's taller than this photo (above) gives it credit for. Like the cascades, these falls are horizontal enough that the view from below doesn't show everything. And the water flow today is light. I wonder what this was like 4 days ago, after rain the day before.

Glen Marie Falls in Blowing Rock, NC (Sep 2024)

There's a bonus falls further down on the Glen Burney Falls trail. It's Glen Marie Falls. This falls is actually the tallest of the three, by fair margin. I figure it's over 60' tall. But it falls in kind of a crooked path over the uneven rock face, and at a low flow time like this it doesn't show well. As much as I don't like hiking in the mud, hiking this trail a day, maybe two, after a rain is probably the best way to enjoy it.

The return hike up the canyon was tough. I felt badly winded getting up past the three falls. The trail gets a lot easier above that, though. Even though there were another 300 vertical feet past that I was able to pick up my pace substantially.

Back at the trailhead we discussed what to eat for lunch. There actually aren't a ton of restaurants in this touristy little town of Blowing Rock. We didn't French cafe food (too French), we didn't want a brewpub (too early for beer), and we didn't want Mexican (too inauthentic— like, they use American cheese in enchiladas 🀒)... so we went back to the pizza place we visited a few days ago. Hawk's rarely in the mood for pizza, but they actually offer a style she enjoys— and the cook nailed it with her special requests. Plus I had a beer, because screw it, it's not that early. πŸ˜‚

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Today was Day 2 of the trade show I'm in Austin for. It was a long day on the schedule, starting with breakfast served on the exhibit floor at 7:30am and running through the evening reception until 6:30pm. Yes, an 11 hour day, all standing on one's feet while talking to booth visitors, is exhausting. Fortunately for me I got to cut out at 5pm to go to another event: meeting for dinner across town with a prospective customer.

This prospective customer is one whose business we've been courting months— years, actually. The challenge has been that we have a sales process based on best practices in which we need transparency from them that they're in a position to buy software before we engage in doing a proof of concept exercise. Think of it in terms of buying a car, where the dealership checks your credit before lending you a car for a test drive. Now imagine that a prospective customer at the dealership says, "No, you have to let me drive the car to test it out thoroughly before I even let you check my credit. Trust me that my credit is good." We've been at loggerheads with this prospect for years about whether "Trust me" is good enough. (If you find the car dealer analogy unfulfilling, consider it from the opposite point of view... Would you buy a car without a test drive if the dealer said, "Trust me, you'll like this car"?)

I'll spare you further details about the sales conversation for now. The other crazy thing about this dinner was that it was at a Texas Roadhouse restaurant. I'd actually never eaten at one before tonight... and part of the reason is it's a nationwide chain that's only one step above, say, Chili's. I wouldn't choose such a restaurant as a personal dining destination, and I've never had a business dinner at this level at such a place. Especially when multiple people have traveled in from out of town to be there. Even my colleague who lives locally groused, "I'm driving an hour through traffic just to eat at a Texas Roadhouse?!"

No, the Roadhouse wasn't my idea. The customer proposed it. As soon as I saw that I diplomatically suggested going somewhere nicer. No, his colleagues had picked it and were already excited about going, he insisted. Shucks, there was a time I would've been excited about going to a place like Texas Roadhouse, too.... And that time was called grad school. 🀣

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Blue Ridge Trip '24 #18
Boone, NC - Wed, 4 Sep 2024. 11pm

Once we got back to Boone this evening, after a satisfying long day out, our first order of business was finding dinner. It's surprising for a college town that Boone doesn't have more local, casual eats; mostly it's chains here. But we did find a well reviewed local burgers place call the Come Back Shack. The food was... college town eats. Which is to say, good but not great food with a fun, younger-oriented vibe. And it was less than half a mile from our hotel, so that was a win, too.

One of the things that comes along with a younger oriented vibe nowadays is no physical menu. There are no menus at the tables, no lighted menu board overhead, and not even a cashier to order from. You scan a QR code with your phone and order through their website, or you use an ordering kiosk at the back of the dining room.

I'm not a Boomer, but I agree with Boomers on this: We hate QR code menus. Just give us a physical menu! I like being able to see the menu all at once instead of having to scroll, scroll, scroll through pages of stuff on my tiny phone screen. Oh, and the fact it's seldom well lit in such restaurants anymore makes it even more of a challenge. Thankfully this restaurant did at least have that ordering kiosk at the back, so we could page through the menu in a reasonable font size. We ordered there. Though we noted that all the Boomer customers were having trouble with it, so if we found ourselves stuck behind one... shit, we'd probably just leave and go somewhere else.

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